Jon Stewart tees off on Lou Dobbs and the birthers and in the process provides some humor. Though the last laugh is on him since he chose to use Kitty Pilgrim as the bastion of truth. What are these folks going to do when the actual birth certificate is released and they have to watch these tapes over again? And who doesn’t think that lady in red is absolutely as off as the previous John McCain lady in red? They find the most extreme example and lump everyone together. Makes them no more credible.
He calls Orly Taitz the “lost Gabor sister” and then proceeded to make fun of her credentials: lawyer, dentist, real estate agent. Why is she putting all that up there?
JON STEWART: (profanity included)
Are you looking to have a botched root canal, sue for the damages, and then use the settlement money to buy the house of your dreams?
If so, you can call me, Orly Taitz, you’re one stop shopping for all things tooth, legal and shelter related.
And then he goes into a shouting match — much the same as Roland Martin, who Lou Dobbs had to tell to chill the hell out.
What is going on here?
Can we just get to the bottom of this?
Can anyone just show the proof that Obama was born here?
Then he shows Kitty Pilgrim [full CNN segment video/text] of all people talking about the birth certificate, quoting factcheck, Gov Lingel (Pilgrim does not provide the “on record” quote and I’ve never seen it) and then the birth notices in the paper, which I find hysterical. Folks would rather pin their money on birth notices in a paper anyone could have run (even though they claim otherwise) rather than look at the actual paper that names the actual hospital, the actual the date and the actual doctor. I don’t understand this madness. If it’s all legit release it.
That was Kitty Pilgrim debunking this myth on July 17th.
“Debunking this myth” when they don’t even know where barry was born – as in what hospital – not even Gibbs.
On videotape dated July 20th, selective, incomplete quote:
LOU DOBBS:The questions won’t go away because they haven’t been dealt with.
And away Stewart goes…
DO YOU EVEN WATCH CNN?!
Your own fucking network?!
And that was Kitty Pilgrim filling in for you on your show!
She debunked that theory – filling in for you on your show!
Funny:
Her last name is Pilgrim…how much more American can she get?
Dave Letterman style:
Don’t you remember you came in the next day after she hosted and your seat was warm and didn’t have the mean old man smell anymore?
With an address and no name:
For FUCK’S SAKE, Lou, the local papers in Hawaii announced Barack Obama’s birth!
And then his own comedic conspiracy theory:
Ohmigod, Barack Obama’s running the old Kenyan Prince Birth Announcement Scam….
When the scam bit is over:
We laugh. It’s a laughable issue. It’s the kind of issue reasonable people dismiss.
Then, it really gets funny. He shows Chris Matthews (Hardball Sideshow about Stewart’s rant), who has been waving that piece of paper around that says in big letters across the top: CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, while proclaiming it’s the birth certificate and saying “native born” not “natural born”, talking with Rep Campbell who in response to Matthews’ question says “as far as he knows” barry’s a native born citizen. [Full hardball segment video/text]
…And I have no reason to believe Congressman Campbell spends his time surreptitiously giving out dollar tug jobs at the local rest stop.
All I’m doing is introducing legislation to make sure next time we catch this motherfucker.
You know, we have used Media Matters more than a few times as a source – mainly as concerns sexism and misogyny but with this birth certificate issue they have gone over the edge. Just read anything about it and their tone is one of near hysteria – Chris Matthews David Schuster in print. What used to be a neutral, fact based view of a TV segment using the transcript and actual factchecking–as in facts–is now an emotional this! has! got! to! stop! NOW! assault.
Media Matters for whom?
One would expect from their history to simply ask: Where is the original birth certificate? Why is he hiding it? Why is he spending money to fight in court to prevent its release?
Instead of multiple posts – they should go straight to the source and ask for a copy – like they would if it was anyone else.
But they aren’t.
Why?
It doesn’t matter how far out people’s claims are – in fact, the more far out they are — like many of them are (lady in red, for instance) — the more it argues their behavior is suspect.
They want to shut Lou Dobbs and everyone else up? They want it to end once and for all?
So, what’s the most direct way to do it?
Show a graphic of a newspaper ad from 1961 that no one alive can vouch for at an address no one can confirm barry or his family lived at?
Or an actual piece of paper that has the actual hospital, the actual physician and actual nurse’s names on it – whether it’s a paper copy or scanned?
When are they going to figure out their outrage is recruiting more birthers?
Look very closely in this “proof” video and point out just where “CNN [who] has fully investigated the issue and found no basis for the questions about the president’s birthplace” names the actual physical birthplace. See if you can spot the graphic.
Not.
But CNN has fully! investigated! and found no! basis! for the questions!!! about the birthplace!
A birthplace they cannot even name.
Talk about crazy.
Sorry about the ! but it represents their mindless hysteria. Can’t blame them. If they’re wrong after all this – how much is anything they say going to matter?
I just want to know how many of them know the truth. Here’s the full segment with KITTY PILGRIM, Orly Taitz, Alan Keyes, Errol Louis & John Avlon and here’s Lou Dobbs, Roland Martin and Rep Poe. Not sure what happened to the post with Rich Sanchez.
Media Matters
Notice how they have the links to the “proof” except for the statement about the Republican Governor.
PILGRIM: Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, on record, she says Obama was indeed born in her state and we should note, she did support John McCain.
Why wasn’t it there? Because it doesn’t exist?
I have no idea. I looked and couldn’t find anything and don’t ever remember hearing it. Politifact claimed she said it was on the up and up when she was campaigning for McCain. The claim she sealed barry’s birth certificate was false.
“CNN’s own contributors saw through the HATE and the LIES.”
Who?
Rich Sanchez, who got it wrong back in February with Sen Shelby?
And Roland Martin with the tired old racism:
“How is this black guy all of a sudden running the country.”
Rolly would have a tad more credibility if he ever brought up the fact that 8 million (1/3) of eligible black voters didn’t even bother to register to vote for barry and that whiteys and Hispanics put barry in the WH. Here he did the race thing – on Lou Dobbs it was because barry’s “Moos-lum“.
But the punchline comes at the very end – I guess in an attempt to force CNN to do something:
How will CNN deal with Lou Dobbs undermining their credibility?
By having the chief, Jon Klein say it’s a “dead issue” (posting next) only to change his tune 24 hours later?
Yes it’s taken awhile. It’s such a worthless little segment because it’s filled with nonfacts and Kitty Pilgrim’s attitude is downright nasty. I wasn’t going to bother but we keep getting asked about it so here it is. Funny thing is she doesn’t realize she is the ignorant one and comes off looking so. The lies are pointed out in red. If you want more detail, follow the link above – everything is explained in post after post.
Forget the facts – it all comes down to one question: Why won’t he just release it?
Kitty Pilgrim sitting in for Lou Dobbs, Orly Taitz, Alan Keyes, Errol Louis, John Avlon.
KITTY PILGRIM: Coming up, the discredited rumor that won’t go away. Now, questions about President Obama’s place of birth and his eligibility to be president.
PILGRIM: Well, an Army Reserve major is again raising controversy over President Obama’s place of birth. [It never went away.] Now, the Major challenged his deployment orders claiming that President Obama wasn’t born in the United States, and that renders his orders illegal.
Now, a former presidential candidate, Alan Keyes, also filed a lawsuit challenging the president’s right to hold the office, and a hearing on that suit will be held on Monday.
Now, questions about the president’s place of birth have been asked and answered many times since before the election, and the president’s birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii. [Non fact. The only one who could say that is Dr Fukino and Alvin Onaka and they aren't talking.] The state’s Republic governor and other officials have backed that up. [Lie. All that was said about Gov Lingle: "Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently." Besides, they can't possibly know that and if they did they are legally unable to speak about it unless barry gave them permission, which he hasn't.] CNN has fully investigated the issue, found no basis for the questions about the president’s birthplace, [Ridiculous. They do not even know what hospital he was born in because Gibbs doesn't even know.] say but the controversy lives on, especially on the Internet.
Joining me now is Orly Taitz and she represents the Army major and filed the Keyes’ lawsuit. Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes joins us. And on the other side, John Avlon who is a columnist with the DailyBeast.com and author of “Independent Nation.” And Errol Louis, columnist for the “New York Daily News” and a CNN, also an attorney.
And so, let me, just before we start, bear with me a bit. There’s overwhelming evidence that proves that his birth certificate is real [Nonfact. No birth certificate has been made public.] and that was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961. And if you’ll just bear with me, I’ll run through a little bit of the evidence and then we can get to this discussion. Now, the Annenberg political fact check, which is a nonpartisan group, [LIE. barry is directly connected to them. He worked for the Chicago Anneberg Challenge with Bill Ayers. The fact that she doesn't knows this makes clear she doesn't know anything about the issue - or barry for that matter.] went to Chicago to view the birth certificate [If they did that's not what they photgraphed and put on the internet.] last year and they released photos and this statement, “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. [Now this simply infuriates me. They lie straight out that they physically touched the ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Even Gibbs admitted that that one-sided piece of paper is NOT a birth certificate. And again, if they did actually see the ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE it's not what they put on their website. They posted a Certification of Live Birth. Period. Something that has not been connected to the ACTUAL original birth certificate that Dr Fukino vouched for.] We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. [State Department requirements do not include natural born status. Meaningless determination.] Our conclusion: Obama was born in the USA, [They can't possibly conclude that. And curiously, why did they not use his full name and why did they not say born in Hawaii?] just has he has always said.”
The Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, on record, she says Obama was indeed born in her state and we should note, she did support John McCain. [I have no idea what she is talking about. Politifact wrote: Even the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican who at the time was stumping for John McCain, said it was on the up-and-up. But they - a factchecker - provided no direct quote or reference so it is meaningless.] So, we also have a copy of the “Honolulu Advertiser” the newspaper, August 13, and the “Hawaii Star-Bulletin,” August 14, 1961, both announcing Barack Obama’s birth.
Also, October last year, the director of the Hawaii Department of Health wrote a letter stating, “I have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Senator Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedure.” [Yes. But she did not say what was on it and more importantly she said nothing about that COLB on the internet. And her spokeswoman Janice Okubo, who has not seen his actual birth certificate said: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."]
PolitiFact.com reissued their results from the investigation they conducted in June of last year and they say, “Since we published Obama’s birth certificate, [LIE. Not a birth certificate.] questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we are confident of our rulings.” [And their ruling? A negative. "There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion that the candidate's name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic." He didn't release a birth certificate making their "findings" null and void. And the only way to know if that COLB is "authentic" is to see what Dr Fukino saw. There is nothing proving that COLB has anything to do with his birth certificate.]
This is the last one, thanks for bearing with me. The White House press briefing this week, reporter from the “World Net Daily” pressed again about the birth certificate, the White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said this following comment:
ROBERT GIBBS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECY: Do all of your listeners and the listeners throughout this country the service to which any journalist owes those listeners, and that is the pursuit of the Nobel Truth, and the Noble Truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America.
[She left out his preceding exchange where he admitted as in "I KNOW" that what was on the internet - the COLB - was not a birth certificate and also that he did not know the name of the hospital barry was born in.]
PILGRIM: Now, Alan Keyes, you’ve been patient letting me get through all that, but what more do you need to be convinced? [What Dr Fukino looked at. That, yes, barry can get.]
(LAUGHTER)
ALAN KEYES, FMR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Some evidence. And the evidence is something that president Obama is strenuously blocking. You ask me to prove that I was born in New York City at the time and hospital I say, and I will give you a certified copy of a full birth certificate with a doctor’s signature, the hospital, and everything else. I won’t direct you to some photograph on the Internet and a bunch of hearsay statements that would not be accepted as evidence in any court of law.
And so the very simple question is, why spend 800,000 to a million dollars blocking the birth certificate? Blocking records at school and college that would in any way have a bearing on the question…
PILGRIM: All right, Alan…
KEYES: Both of his birth and of his citizenship claims at various times in his life. Why is he going to all this trouble, if as they say, the matter is resolved? Can’t be resolved by a bunch of statements and assertions.
PILGRIM: OK, Orly, we have to keep this quicker, but please tell me…[Keyes = 9 sentences.]
ORLY TAITZ, ATTORNEY: OK, Obama never provided his birth certificate. What he provided is certification of live birth that was issued last year that does not have the name of the doctor, does not have the name of the hospital, does not have any signatures. Do you know that Hawaii has a statute 338, that allows foreign-born children of Hawaiian residence to get Hawaiian birth certificates. Did you know that?
PILGRIM: Errol, I would like you to respond. [Taitz gets 4.]
ERROL LOUIS, NEW YORK DAILY NEWS: Listen, I think — I think what we have here is a case where under the guise of saying, well, we can’t trust whether or not he should be president because we don’t have the evidence, it’s actually the reverse. These are folks, and there are a number of them, and some of them are raising money like “World Net Daily” which is as far as I’m concerned, running a scam, where they’re selling all kinds of bumper stickers and stuff like that, and I don’t know what Miss Taitz is taking in the way of legal fees.
(CROSSTALK)
They’re raising legal fees from across the country and the reality is they don’t accept that the president is the president, and, therefore, they work backward and there will never be enough proof to satisfy them.
[He cannot possibly say that until the birth certificate is released.]
PILGRIM: All right, John, I have to let…
You’ve offered a mountain of evidence in addition to two birth announcements. That’s a pretty deep conspiracy. What we have here, you know…
[MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE? Go back and read what "evidence" there was. And he is supposedly a lawyer. At least he separates the birth announcements from the word "proof".]
(CROSSTALK)
JOHN AVLON, DAILYBEAST.COM: No, what we have here is Obama derangement syndrome. This pathological hatred of the president posing as patriotism. Ambassador Keyes says that President Obama has called him a radical communist. You on your blog have repeatedly referred to the administration as Gestapo SS. Which is it? Get your story straight. Is he a Nazi or a communist? You guys are nuts.
[What did he say of importance? Where was discussion of fact, evidence, or proof?]
PILGRIM: Orly, I have to ask you to let everyone at least have their say before you respond to it. I believe we’re out of time, I’m sorry to say.
(LAUGHTER)
TAITZ: Let me say one more thing, in order to be the president, you have to have to have two parents that are citizens. Obama’s father was never a citizen of this country.
PILGRIM: All right, Orly, we have to call it, there. I’m sorry. Thank you very much, all of you, for joining in this very lively debate.
