Octuplets: Nadya discusses her son’s autism

(4-27) Updated list of octuplet posts

April 27, 2009

This is just heartbreaking. The whole situation. One gets a glimpse in to the true selfishness of Nadya. She knew her son was severely autistic and as she says here she thinks he will be with her for the rest of his/her lives. And yet she willingly - knowing how much attention he needed - went and had 6 more embryos implanted. And she knew the chances were high that she would have multiples since her previous pregnancy had resulted in twins.

And then she turned down Angels in Waiting’s offer to provide a complete evaluation and whatever therapy treatment and therapy for all 14 kids - something he desperately needs. He doesn’t talk much, he doesn’t feed himself, probably isn’t potty trained and he wanders around at night unsupervised. AIW found him in the yard shortly before an intruder showed up. Just think if something happened to him - he wouldn’t be able to communicate.

Imagine his fear all locked up inside his head with ni way to escape.

It’s just so very sad. Especially since no one knows how many, if any, of the octuplets are going to have neurological and/or physical impairment.

Here is what Nadya said on GMA last Friday [follow update link]:

I know I’m going to sound kind of crazy to say this, but no I’m just - every day I’m taking it as it comes. And it`s actually a lot less stressful than I envisioned it to be. Because I’m just focusing on - what takes precedence over anything else is just how healthy they are.

In tune with reality?

What type of therapy is he getting now? In the footage they show him standing there or running away from the camera or someone feeding him. There’s never anyone interacting with him. And when the grandmother’s explosive outburst happened, Nadya left him alone with the grandmother. She was fearful enough to flee (it was scary to watch) and yet she leaves her most vulnerable child in the rager’s care?

Can you imagine the noise level in his head? The confusion with the appearance of 8 babies? The building frustration of his space being occupied by multiple changing strangers - even at night when he previously had some freedom?

And he can’t communicate any of it. Now is the crucial window for speech - listen to how Nadya has resigned herself to him not speaking. He’s only 3. And had he gone to Arrowhead he could have been examined and observed in a controlled setting to determine his needs and then set things up for continuing care back home. But she said no. Because she, an adult, was having trouble communicating with other adults.

In the video she admits to the delusion that caffeine caused his autism because of a story she read on methamphetamine. Though both are considered stimulants, they are different categories of drugs with a different mechanisms of action and different brain receptors. Both might be causative but she cannot generalize one to the other.

Where is the discussion of the role of the frozen embryos and years worth of extra hormones?

She states she wants to start an autism foundation and when she gets her masters degree she wants to work with families of autistic children “helping them cope”.

On what planet?

RadarOnline:

Suleman said that reading studies linking a mothers’ use of meth with increased rates of autism in their children convinced her that caffeine–also a stimulant–has a similar effect. Though Suleman said doctors have dismissed her hypothesis, she is convinced that the coffee habit she formed while she was pregnant with Aidan increased the severity of his autism.

Suleman said that she was “self medicating” for ADHD (a condition that she has never been formally diagnosed with) by drinking coffee during those months and now blames her behavior for Aidan’s challenges.

Aidian, who has a severe form of autism, doesn’t like to be touched or held. Though he is vocal and often hums Barney songs to himself, he will likely never speak or live on his own. Suleman says that while his aversion to physical attention can be difficult for her to accept, her young son still finds his own ways to show his affection.

NADYA: When you’re autistic — he’s nonverbal and he also doesn’t really like touch. Aidan will probably never talk and will probably be with me for the rest of his life. You know, she’s just as worthy as all of my kids. I love him so, so much.

And it affects me so much because - you know, I cry sometimes because I blame myself. I’m sure, like any mother, even though it doesn’t sound rational, blame myself really because I feel like I caused it.

As she discusses her children’s, she reveals her own pathology. In a separate interview, she talks about one of her children being a “biter” like she was. I think it is this child. I’ll look in the drafts. My fellow citizens don’t post but they still put stuff in the drafts, which makes it hard to stay current, especially with all the other topics.

Say what you want about impeached governor Rod Blagojevich, but after he was arrested he signed the Autism Bill, which mandates insurance companies to cover autism diagnosis and treatment up to $36,000/year until age 21. And thanks to him, Illinois became the first state to provide universal healthcare to children. And if he gets a jury member whose child was directly helped?

Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 6: Foster care, legal sign off, thanks

Here is the last segment of Dr Phil. It’s the legal disclaimer section. Dr Phil makes sure to document her passed Nadya off and he’s done. Linda Pate Wallace is on again (she was on the previous show as well)

(4-21) Updated list of octuplet posts
(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 1: Nadya; *Angels in Waiting* firing
(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 2: Jeff Czech: “Hogging the media”
(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 3: No more Nadya for him
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 4: Tuberculosis, nannies
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 5: Allred vs Czech
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 6: Foster care, legal sign off, thanks
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March 26, 2009

Dr Phil’s website (pix, too)

Dr Phil starts out with his legal disclaimer.

When I got involved in this story, it was because Robin and I have spent a long, long time with The Dr. Phil Foundation and other efforts to work with foster and disadvantaged children, and those children who are at high-risk, and these were certainly children at high risk. I said, ‘I’m going to step into this and see if I can figure out what’s going on and get some kind of way for these kids to have a chance, to have a chance at some kind of reasonable treatment.’

Of course, everybody in America was yelling, ‘Take those children away and put them in foster care.’

The truth is that A) that’s not a good option and B) you just can’t do that.

Public policy in America is that the biological parents really have powerful rights and big responsibilities with regard to kids. You just can’t step in and say, ‘Well, I don’t like this woman’s decisions. I think we should take those children and give them away.’ Fortunately, it’s not that easy. You can’t do that.

Then Dr Phil introduces attorney and child advocate LINDA WALLACE PATE. She was on the previous show as well, chronicling the horrors of foster care. This time she talks about the procedures involved in removing a child from her/his parents. Note the criteria includes: “immediate threat to the children’s health and safety”, which is why Angels in Waiting made their reports. There’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that the night she brought home the first two octuplets was extremely dangerous and showed a monumental lack of maternal judgment. Even Kaiser threatened not to send any more of the preemies home.

Then there were the intruders in the yard and at the door and ther resistance to hiring security. Nadya didn’t do anything about security until after the car seat that was on her porch was thrown through the back window of her vehicle. They could have just as easily broken into the house and, yes, abducted the babies. And then the health risk of Tuberculosis.

All three were reports were not only justified, by law, AIW had to act.

LINDA WALLACE PATE:

In order to remove children from their parents, the children have to be in immediate danger of physical abuse or sexual abuse, or the environment is an immediate threat to the children’s health and safety. That’s to remove the child without a court order. You’re essentially arresting a child. Social workers have the police power to come into your home, if the child is in immediate danger.

In this case, although Tuesday night when the first babies came home, I don’t think we got to that point of immediate danger, but I do believe that it was very toxic to the children. I believe that when you over-stimulate premature babies like that, that that can have a long-term effect on their development. They have a problem with sensory integration as adults. These are very serious issues.

The preemies went from the womb to the neonatal ICU to that mob scene. An adult who had just emerged from a coma wouldn’t have tolerated it.

DR PHIL:

I did speak to L.A. County Department of Child and Family and Services. I did talk to Kaiser Permanente, and I talked with Dr. Reilly from Orange County. He’s the chief deputy director of social services there.

Basically, what I said to all of these people is, ‘My involvement was to get into this story to help facilitate the best situation for these children. We’re now in the second chapter of that, and it seems to be running more smoothly, so we are going to step out of this story,’ because I don’t want to be a part of any [media] frenzy.’

He washed his hands of all liability by talking to these folks directly. He made known his concerns - made sure they documented them and then told them he was done. Bye bye Nadya. Then he goes back into the transparency issue to make his concerns known to the audience and general public.

Dr Phil relates the conversation he had with DR REILLY regarding Nadya and her new babies.

DR PHIL:

[Reilly] said, ‘Our approach is that we have all of these wonderful community centers throughout Orange County, lots of them, that offer everything from parent training to stress-relaxation sort of things, fun things for the family to do on a budget, all of these different things they can do to help the parents rise up to the occasion and not take the kids away.’

[To Pate] That is only as a last resort that they [remove children from the home]. It’s very difficult to do, and that is not the prime directive of Child Protective Services or social services, correct?

LINDA WALLACE PATE:

That’s correct. The paradigm shift for the last 10 or 15 years has been to keep the family intact. The outcomes are so poor in foster care. Children are, as we talked about before, four times more likely to be abused and neglected in foster care than with their biological parents or their relatives. Every effort must be made. We need to circle the wagons, we need to take all the resources that we have, we need to let all the drama subside. We need to get very Zen in this environment and give this family some privacy.

I’m all for transparency, but families have to have privacy too.

DR PHIL:

Private transparency, but nonetheless, a transparency to the agency. That’s all I’m saying in this situation. Having a mandated reporter inside the house helps a lot, because they are taken much more seriously, because they are informed reporters.

DR PHIL to Czech - more legal disclaimer to make sure she is not at risk t her self or others.

I don’t think there’s a mean bone in Nadya’s body. When I say that the children are at risk, I don’t think she would do anything ugly with children. What I mean is just getting overwhelmed and things falling through the cracks if there isn’t enough support. That’s your concern, right? Just making sure she has enough support.

JEFF CZECH: Absolutely.

GLORIA ALLRED:

Dr. Phil, let’s face it: Kaiser Permanente is not going to be in that home 24/7. That’s what we’re concerned about. What we’re concerned about is the record of Nadya in the next week, which should be a good indicator for what may happen in the future.

I want to make sure that everybody understands that Angels in Waiting wanted nothing more than for Nadya to succeed. They made every effort to help her, to support her, to train her, to educate her.

If she felt like a stranger, it’s because she didn’t come in to be with her babies except very little, a lot of the time only when the media was filming, and these babies need bonding, they need to be held by their mommy. They need to be fed by their mommy. They need to be changed and bathed by their mommy. They need to be loved and hear the sound of their mommy’s voice. That is how we create bonding, that is how we create trust in babies, and on that score, Dr. Phil, she failed miserably, and the record supports that.

We hope the future will be different for the sake of these babies.

DR PHIL:

I think she says, clearly, she was made to feel uncomfortable, she was made to feel like she was doing something wrong, that she wasn’t being helped, that she was being criticized and judged. That is no way to feel in your own home with your own babies.

LINDA WEST-CONFORTI:

We reached out to help this woman. We tried to show her the proper bonding. Dr. Phil, she wasn’t at home.

We would ask, ‘Where’s Nadya?’ Nobody knew where she was. She would come home at midnight with Gap bags in her hands. She wasn’t available to us for teaching. She wasn’t available to us to tell, ‘Nadya, come on, let’s do a feeding on one of your babies,’ or ‘It’s bath time.’”

Now this next question is plain crazy. Why does a woman with 14 children - only eight of whom are new need to be told what to do? To be told not to go shopping? To be told her baby needs a bath or a feeding? And how are they going to “sit down with her if she isn’t there and doesn’t trust them?

DR PHIL:

Did you sit down with her and say, ‘You seem to be absent. We need more time’?

LINDA WEST-CONFORTI:

Yes. I sat down with her. Annie Young sat down with her. We sat and we had a conference. She was supposed to give [her octuplet son] Elijah a bath, and it took four days. We ended up giving the child a bath.

If true, that is obscene. Nadya’s first publicist, Joann Killeen, said that her duties ended up including bathing and babysitting the old children.[3-27]

DR PHIL to Allred:

You’re concerned she’s going to be under-involved going forward?

GLORIA ALLRED:

My concern is, she wasn’t involved the first week. Where is she going to be the second, third, fourth and fifth? Everyone in this room is concerned about these children, but we are not there yet. You don’t have to be the best parent to keep your children. You just have to be good enough.

You just have to be in the room.

LINDA WALLACE PATE:

She has to be good enough. She’s got to get better, because she is going to be at risk of losing these children. This cannot continue, because these children will become failure to thrive. They have to be bonded with their mother. It’s important that she understands that this is the end of the road for her.

The government and Child Protective Services are not going to wait until these children slump into a failure to thrive. We need to make sure that they’re on the right track now.

Nadya’s lawyer wakes up and decides to earn his money. Look at his picture - he barely survived.

JEFF CZECH:

This is just reinforcing what I’ve seen in Nadya’s decision. The best step she could have made is to move on. This is a situation that was going nowhere. Clearly, constant judgment is not going to help the situation. Nadya does not have to be under a microscope 24 hours a day. That’s not going to help her. I guarantee you, she’s spending a lot more time now with those babies.

He just admitted she wasn’t spending much to begin with. Nadya admits she’s dealing with it by denial.

GLORIA ALLRED:

She doesn’t want the privacy. She wants only one side to come out, Dr. Phil, because every day she’s blogging to the public about what she’s doing.

JEFF CZECH shows once again he’s a minnow in a shark’s den:

Trust me, she doesn’t want you in her kitchen anymore.

GLORIA ALLRED:

You will only now hear one side of the story: the spin placed on Nadya, the spin placed by Jeff. That’s all fine and good, but we care about protecting the babies.

Dr Phil now gets on record AIW’s and Allred’s statements that they are officially finished too.

DR PHIL ask AIW:

At this point, you guys are out?

LINDA WEST-CONFORTI: Correct.

DR PHIL:

At this point, I’m saying I’m going to take a respectful step back and allow this to go forward.

DR PHIL to Allred;

Is that your plan, at this point? Do you step back and let Kaiser do their job?

GLORIA ALLRED:

We really have no choice. We couldn’t let this situation continue, so yes, we will be stepping back. We will be praying and hoping for the best for these little babies, and for their six siblings, and for Nadya, but we’re not really optimistic about their future.

DR PHIL Back to AIW (and Kaiser)

I want to say, and go on record saying, that I have sat with Linda, I have sat with Jackie. I have talked about your childcare philosophies, your intervention strategies, the systems you put in place, the things that you do, and I could not be more impressed with what y’all do. The dynamic here didn’t work.

Y’all clearly are cutting edge professionals and know what you’re doing. I say the same thing about Kaiser Permanente, having been over there, and met with those folks, and visited with them, and been in the NICU [Neonatal Intensive Care Unit], and talked to the nurses there and gotten a feeling and a vibe for everything. Those are dedicated, caring professionals.

And then the poor folks who went out of their way to donate time, material and labor to get the house set up and there’s not oing to be any more mentions of them. That isn’t fair. They got flat out ripped off and the next needy family won’t get it because of Nadya.

They don’t look too happy, do they?

Left - Shalena Smith, Ga Ga Designs provided the nursery, which Nadya didn’t make a point of thanking on air during her radaronline videos. All it would have taken was a few shots of the nursery to thank Smith.

Right - Amy Phillips, Uptown Flooring and Design provided the carpets and flooring in Nadya’s house.

Dr Phil was pist too because he was the one who arranged it. Hopefully he’ll make good with them. He covers their disclaimer.

DR PHIL:

I know you did it for the babies more than the mom. That doesn’t mean you support her decisions to have gone and gotten pregnant again. But you had the ability to look past the situation and keep your eye only on the babies. That’s so compassionate, and I really thank you guys for doing that.

He thanks Stan Whitaker, Whitaker General Contracting, who oversaw the general contracting of her home.

Young America, who donated furniture for Nadya’s older children.

Million Dollar Baby outfitted the nursery.

Higher America donated a brand-new convertible bottom drawer refrigerator for the octuplets.

Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 5 Allred vs Czech

Updated list of octuplet posts (4-22)

Trying to empty out some of the drafts.

This is Part 5 (second day) of Dr Phil Show discussing the firing of Angels in Waiting. On set are the lawyers: Allred & Jeff Czech; AIW: Linda West-Conforti & Jackie Peebles and Dr Phil. It’s rather embarrassing to see/hear them go at it like sniping middle schoolers. Czech was like a lamb to the slaughter and he knew it. Dr Phil gave Allred a lot of latitude but had to rescue Czech. Dr Phil knew enough to avoid “shrill” - he uses “strident”.

(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 1: Nadya; *Angels in Waiting* firing
(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 2: Jeff Czech: “Hogging the media”
(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 3: No more Nadya for him
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 4: Tuberculosis, nannies
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 5: Allred vs Czech
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March 26, 2009

From Dr Phil’s wesite [emphasis added]

GLORIA ALLRED:

One of the reasons that we care about transparency is so that not only can we tell Child Protective Services, which must be done for the protection of these little, innocent, precious babies, but in addition, so the public knows. The fact is that bringing in Kaiser means that, yes, some of them are mandated reporters, and we hope that they will report to Child Protective Services, but the public now is shutdown, is shutout.

That is what Jeff and Nadya want, for the public only to hear their side, which is going to be, ‘Aw, how wonderful everything is,’ and not to know the truth about what’s really going on inside the house, whether or not these babies are in danger, and that is wrong.

The whole point of Angels in Waiting USA, besides providing such high-quality care from these wonderful pediatric nurses and educational consultants, was not to put the burden on the taxpayer, but this is what Nadya and Jeff are doing; shut everybody up, put the burden on the taxpayer. That’s wrong, and I want to know what they’re hiding and why.

JEFF CZECH:

It is certainly not my intention, I know it’s not Nadya’s intention, to hide from the public. Nadya wants her own life. I think any mother who has 50 kids doesn’t necessarily want to be public with the private issues in her life.

That comment is so ludicrous it isn’t even funny. Nadya sits everyday and chats to radaronline about her life. Nobody’s forcing her and she knows the videos go online uncensored. He knew he shouldnt have said it and Allred pounced.

ALLRED:

She’s public every day, Jeff. That’s why the paparazzi were there the first night. She went on the media and announced that the babies were coming home.

CZECH:

It was pretty calm until you showed up with your briefcase in hand, held a press conference and then refused to leave the premises.

First he complains about her “hogging the media” and then wants to know where Nadya’s money is.

CZECH:

I have repeatedly asked Gloria for an accounting. Nadya needs to plan. I didn’t get that transparency.

He’s all about transparency when it comes to cash.

ALLRED holds up a stack of printed out emails.

You got numerous e-mails, Jeff. Saying, ‘Jeff, can we have a meeting with the nurses, and Nadya, and Dr. Phil, and you and me?’

CZECH:

I’m very busy. It’s hard to have a meeting every five minutes.

He’s reacting like a child who doesn’t know what excuse to use and she’s got him in her sights.

ALLRED:

We asked for one meeting. We had to discuss the catastrophe that occurred Tuesday night, because you and Nadya failed to plan and provide adequate security, and because you dared to tell the media when the babies were coming home. If it had been done quietly, these babies would not have been placed at risk.

And as to the accounting, as Dr. Phil knows from all of these e-mails, we said we’d be very happy to tell you about the funds. Let’s have a meeting, either in person or have a conference call on the phone. You refused to do either for almost a week.

DR PHIL realizes it’s his show and addresses Allred:.

Are you being too strident [aka shrill] in this situation? It seems like there’s constant criticism, and I wonder if she did feel threatened by this Angels in Waiting USA contingent? And she felt like, ‘I’m being constantly judged, and they’re not helping me if they see a problem; they’re reporting me. They’re not assisting, and it seems to be adversarial.’

What gave it away Dr Phil? He asks Czech if Nadya’s on welfare and he pretends he doesn’t know. Where’s that transparency?

DR PHIL:

You say that this may fall back to Medi-Cal, or [Nadya] is on Medi-Cal right now, true?

CZECH:

If Medi-Cal took care of the initial birth, etc., then what’s going on now is probably a continuation of that. I’ve not verified that with Nadya. But let me stress, Nadya doesn’t want this anymore. She wants to be on her own.

Yeah and she just wanted one more child when she couldn’t support the 6 she already had. And her oldest daughter didn’t want the octuplets to come home. Words mean nothing.

DR PHIL:

Here’s what gets people upset. I am told that while all of this is going on, and she’s trying to situate the kids, and get the nursery right, and get people flowing and all of that sort of thing, she’s taking money and installing a big hot tub in the master suite at this house. When people hear that — if it’s true, and I don’t know if it’s true. If it’s not, tell me it’s not — people wonder why would we be A) making donations, and B) letting this fall on taxpayers, when here’s somebody who’s doing that kind of thing of thing.

Is that true or false?

CZECH explains that the plumbing is bad, and the bathtub leaks into the kitchen.

She had to replace the tub. Nadya’s using her own sources. She has made some money. She has to. She’s in a situation where she’s never going to be looked at very favorably.

And she’s doing nothing to improve matters. And the story of the tub continues to evolve. First her friends gave it to her, then it was donated, then she bought it herself. In one of her RadarOnline videos she takes the cameraman into the bathron

JACKIE PEEBLES (AIW):

When Gloria came, and I was asked by one of the people from the media, ‘Why is Gloria here? Please ask her to leave,’ I said, ‘I don’t understand the confusion. I really don’t’. Gloria came, said, ‘I don’t want a press conference. I don’t want my face on the media.’ She sat down at the kitchen table … This was a happy day for the union, for all of us coming together and bringing the babies home. It was quiet. Gloria was sitting there at the kitchen table, no conference, nothing going on.

DR PHIL to Czech:

Did you want Gloria out of there that night, and did you get in her face and attack her, yelling and pointing your finger in her face to get her out?

CZECH:

Nadya and I were locked up with the Kaiser people for, I don’t how long, four or five hours, and during this time, apparently the ruckus was building at Nadya’s home, and we did not even know. Information was filtering in to me that there were a lot of unnecessary people at that house, and so I started asking my staffers to politely ask all unnecessary people, and Gloria Allred was one of them — she didn’t have to be there — I asked everybody to leave, and they did.

[He says he spoke with Gloria, and she went into the backyard.]

It was complete mayhem.

And who caused it to be that way? Who told the paparazzi exactly when she would be bringing them home? Who didn’t have any type of security in place?

ALLRED, chomping to cross examine him and trap him in lies:

This is just so much nonsense. What happened was, yes, Jeff asked the press, and there were numerous representatives of the media — cameras, audio equipment, video equipment, wires, cords, lights — by the way, a lot of which was set up in this very small nursery later in the night when these little preemies came home, exposing these little babies to high risk of infection and danger — but in any event, yes, he asked them to clear out.

But guess what? Before Nadya came home with the babies, he let everybody back in.

[She explains that she was at the house to protect the nurses.]

They were going into a high-risk situation, because Nadya had announced all these media people were there. I wanted to make sure that they could do their job and not be bullied, and not be prevented from caring for these little babies.

She pushed him enough to make him speak the truth even though he wasn’t aware of it. He basically admits he was pist she got the media questions and interviews that night not him.

CZECH:

Gloria, I think you can care about the nurses and about the babies in the confines of your own home. You were part of the ruckus, because you’re a well-known attorney, and a lot of people want to see you, so that was part of it. That was the reason I asked you to leave, along with everyone else. I did not ask them to come back in.

He just admitted that he did not have control of the situation. And Allred says he lost control of himself as well.

ALLRED:

Well, they did come back in, so somebody gave them permission. Maybe it was your wife.

When you arrived with Nadya, you didn’t ask them to leave. Instead, what you did in the presence of the nurses and everyone else there, you came in like Raging Bull 2. You came in, you went within one inch of one of our nannies’ noses … and you stood there, and you put your finger like this, and you jabbed your finger at her, and you were yelling at this poor little nanny, ‘Who are you? Get the [expletive] out of here!’

She says that Jeff then came up to her, pointed a finger in her face and yelled.

The worst was you yelled, and you punched your fist right to the wall of nursery. Those little babies were inside. How scary for these little babies.

She’s good at always coming back to the babies. He and Nadya talk about them as commoditites. He of course denies doing any of the sort.

LINDA WEST-CONFORTI:

You did too, Jeff. That’s when I said, ‘I will take you out.’

Reads like the Godfather doesn’t it?

Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 4: Tuberculosis, nannies

Updated list of octuplet posts (4-22)

Getting around to some of the drafts. This is the second day of Dr Phil Show discussing the firing of Angels in Waiting. At the end of the show Dr Phil officially said he washed his hands of Nadya. So far he’s kept to his word…at least publicly.

FYI: One of the 3 reports filed by AIW to Child Protective Services was about possible exposure to tuberculosis (TB). The nannies-to-be were given routine skin tests (ppd) to check for TB. They had positive reactions. The question then is: do they have active disease or just prior exposure? A chest x-ray helps determine that, which they had not yet had. So they potentially could have been in there taking care of the preemies with active TB. At least one of them was coughing.

They evidently never came back after the initial training - while AIW was still there. I don’t know if Kaiser nurses have tested the octuplets or the other children for TB exposure.

(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 1: Nadya; *Angels in Waiting* firing
(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 2: Jeff Czech: “Hogging the media”
(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 3: No more Nadya for him
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 4: Tuberculosis, nannies
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 5: Allred vs Czech
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March 26, 2009

From the Dr Phil website.

DR PHIL to Nadya’s attorney, Jeff Czech: Are you comfortable that these children are safe?

JEFF CZECH:

Honest to goodness, I am. Nadya really does care for these children. She does spend some time. There have been some days in the very recent past where Nadya was spread out very, very thin. It was not her intent that that would occur, but she was thrown into a situation whereby she was surrounded by media beyond her wildest imaginations, and it was obviously the first time that she ever encompassed a situation like that.

She knew what she was getting into when she had those embryos implanted. Kaiser is training Nadya and the nannies and making sure the house is safe all courtesy of California taxpayers.

CZECH: [Kaiser] They call me all the time and ask me what the situation is. They ask me for reports, what am I doing for safety, what am I doing for security, so I’m following up with them as well. They’re very concerned.

DR PHIL: Who is paying for all of this now?

JEFF CZECH:

Kaiser Permanente has informed me that this is basically typical. Because there are so many babies, they are extending it a little bit.

He notes that the hospital and nurses are paid by Medi-Cal, while Nadya pays the nannies’ salaries from money she’s earned.

The nurses aren’t going to be there forever. They’re there to train, they’re there to help, they’re there to implement, and once they’re happy with the way things are going, they’re out of the picture.

Kaiser is billing Medi-Cal for everything including the Social Workers’ visits, the nurses, the training of the nannies, all the octuplet’s care. Nadya is responsible for paying the nannies and has a “goal” to get her kids of Medi-Cal. Delusion.

CZECH: She wants off, and quite frankly, she was a little uncomfortable with Angels in Waiting for that reason, too, because she was aware that they were being funded by donations.

So who is going to pay for the children’s healthcare for the next 18 years if it isn’t the state or donations?

DR PHIL to Linda West-Conforti, co-founder of Angels in Waiting USA.

Do you have concerns about these nannies who are there? If there are sick nannies in the house, if there are people who [test] positive for tuberculosis, that’s troubling to me.

WEST-CONFORTI:

I’m not saying they’re positive for tuberculosis. They’re testing that they’ve had it before. I’m not sure that they’re symptomatic at the time that they’re coming in, but the big question is we don’t know. They have not been ruled out that they are not active carriers.

DR PHIL: Were there nannies in the home who tested positive?

WEST-CONFORTI:

Yes, there were three of them who tested positive. Nadya gave her permission without talking to us nurses or Kaiser, that it was OK for them to come in as long as they wore a mask until they got their X-ray back and read by a physician.

DR PHIL: Is that OK?

WEST-CONFORTI:

No. Nadya was so under the gun to have enough nannies to show the hospital that they’re able to send the next babies home, that she jeopardized the welfare of these infants.

JACKIE PEEBLES, co-founder of Angels in Waiting USA

They didn’t wear a mask. People need to know that. Nobody wore a mask. During the training, the ladies are still in the home. Nobody put a mask on.

The point she is making is that Nadya knowingly exposed her preemies to the possibility of TB. Nadya pays for the nannies herself and women fresh to the country are obviously cheaper. Financial decision. But a simple mask would have shown some maternal judgment.

What was left unsaid — the Kaiser nurses knew the women had positive skin tests and they did not demand the women wear masks.

(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 1: Nadya; *Angels in Waiting* firing
(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 2: Jeff Czech: “Hogging the media”
(3-25) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 3: No more Nadya for him

Octuplets: What is in a tantrum?

Octuplets: Updated list of posts (4-19)

April 19, 2009

I included this not because of its tabloid nature - but because it reveals, without words, what Nadya already had to deal with prior to getting implanted with that let set of embryos.

From X 17 online:

Tantrums are not an infrequent occurrence. How much longer will the cure be carrying him out of a store and shoving him in the car?

And when the frustration of being neglected boils over and the cameras aren’t around?

Angels in Waiting would have assessed and addressed the needs of all 14 children. Critical for the 3 older children with neurological limitations. Speech delay has a narrow window in which to be addressed. And if not adequately managed, the frustration and poor impulse control associated with autism and ADHD, could lead to a potentially dangerous situation with 8 defenseless preemies in the house.

For 6 months, while they and their mother acclimated to the octuplet’s presence, the older children could have had individual care, attention, counseling and whatever therapy - speech, physical, cognitive, behavioral - was indicated. And they could have had their intellectual level assessed to identify the optimal method of learning individual to them.

Right now there is no computer in the home for them to use - TV, DVDs, video games, yes. Who keeps track of and helps them with homework? Who reads to them? Who stimulates their imagination on a daily basis? Who talks to them one on one in a quiet place? Who holds them and comforts them without distraction?

Don’t think they haven’t taken note of the fact that mommy’s got special help for the octuplets but not for them. Children 7 years and younger can’t intellectualize the reason why. All they know is no one has come specially to hold them, feed them, talk or sing to them, cuddle with them or even just to sit quietly in a room with them.

Had Nadya put the welfare of all of her children first, the older children would have been treated as individuals, who matter in their own right. Instead they’re cute photo op props to film kissing their “gross” and “alien” little siblings that at least two expressed they did not want to come home.

But Nadya said no. It’s too cold. Not to mention too inconvenient for the paparazzi.

Then, when the donations didn’t start pouring in and the hospital threatened not to discharge the octuplets, she said ok to AIW and accepted everything Dr Phil provided free of charge.

When the donations still didn’t pour in and she realized she was not going to get any of the AIW donations and that no TV show would be allowed for as long as AIW was present - she fired them. And she couldn’t risk AIW making any more reports to CPS because without all 8 preemies she is not “Octomom”.

The grandmother has not accepted the octuplets and wants nothing to do with them. She wasn’t there when the first two came home. There is a great deal of tension between Nadya and the grandmother that erupted on camera with the kids present - see update link [4-1]. It was frightening to watch. Nadya fled her own house rather than deal with it. The kids hurried along as if it’s happened many times before. They didn’t even ask what was going on. The camera crew didn’t either - they’ve seen it as well.

What do they have on tape that will be seen for the first time on Court TV?

And as far as immediate family - role models to imitate - all those kids have is Nadya, the angry, explosive grandmother, and the grandfather, who says his daughter is “not mentally complete” and in need of a psychiatric evaluation. [2-25]

10 sons without a father. 4 daughters who will have to deal with 10 brothers who don’t have a father to teach them how to treat females with respect. All 14, children to a mother with Nadya’s (lack of) maternal judgment and grounding in reality.

I have never heard Nadya say she wanted to be a mother to a lot of kids. Just she always wanted to have a big family…that she always wanted to have a lot of kids.

Every time I see the oldest girl, I ponder her daily existence and how she will never be free from responsibility. 6 y/o and her childhood was stolen away forever by her selfish mother. And it can never be given back. It’s impossible. And nothing is or has been done to help her reconcile it.

That is what I find most tragic in all of this.

I speak from the perspective of the bottom half of a natural double digit family that had both a mother and a father.

Octuplets: $4K in police overtime

Octuplets: Updated list of posts (4-19)

April 16, 2009

Thus far the city of LaHabra has thus far paid $4K in police overtime in conjunction with Nadya Suleman and the octuplets. They were not there for the most dangerous transport - the first set of octuplets going home. They were called by Nadya only after she was in the garage - she had been harrassed the whole drive home from paparazzi in vehicles) and the paparazzi had gotten their money shots. She really is quite transparent.

Police involvement:

• Numerous 911 calls
• 300 complaints about helicopters overhead that first night
• Octuplets 3 & 4 police escort
• Octuplets 5 & 6 police escort
• Octuplets 7 police escort (Nadya took #8 home all by herself)
• Two backyard intruder calls while AIW still there
• Stolen No Trespassing Signs
• Car seat through rear window of vehicle (Nadya still did not have security. Happened the morning of the day #7 came home.)
• Suspicious person
• Increased patrolling by the house

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(3-24) Octuplets: 911 call night first two octuplets brought home
(3-31) Octuplets: Video of first two octuplets arriving home
(3-30) Octuplets: Morning after first two octuplets home (video)
(4-3) Octuplets: Frustrated neighbor removes, returns No Trespassing signs
(4-3) Octuplets: Family van vandalized (4-1)

Octuplets: Updated list of posts (4-16)

(1-30) Octuplets: Ethics of fertility treatment?
(1-30) Octuplets: What is really going on?
(2-3) Octuplets: Publicist Joann Killeen on Larry King
(2-9) Octuplets: Should not go home with that woman
(2-9) Octuplets: Octuplets: already filthy house unfit for children (pix)
(2-13) Octuplets: Church Nadya named doesn’t know her
(2-16) Octuplets: Publicist Joann Killeen quits admits death threats
(2-18) Octuplets: New agent?
(2-23) Octuplets: Mother vs grandmother caught on tape
(2-24) Octuplets: Cosmetic surgery, IVF, food stamps, disability, bankruptcy & foreclosure
(2-24) Octuplets: Mother before/after plastic surgery & Angelina Jolie (pix)
(2-25) Octuplets: Grandfather on Oprah daughter “not mentally complete”
(2-25) Octuplets: Hospital questioning her ability to care for children
(2-26) Octuplets: Video of inside the home
(2-26) Octuplets: Body language mother vs grandmother video (Part 1)
(2-26) Octuplets: Body language mother vs grandmother video (Part 2)
(2-27) Octuplets: Man claiming to be sperm donor
(2-27) Octuplets: Grandmother on The Early Show (Part 1)
(2-27) Octuplets: Grandmother on The Early Show (Part 2)
(2-27) Octuplets: Grandmother on The Early Show (Part 3)
(2-27) Octuplets: Grandmother’s first interview (Feb 9th)
(2-28) Octuplets: Dr Phil talks with new publicist Victor Munoz on Larry King
(2-29) Octuplets: What about the other children?
(3-3) Octuplets: Gloria Allred & *Angels in Waiting* (The Early Show video)
(3-3) Octuplets: Gloria Allred & *Angels in Waiting* offer (press conference)
(3-2) Octuplets: *Angels in Waiting’s* free 24/7 care for all 14 REFUSED
(3-2) Octuplets: What is it going to take?
(3-3) Octuplets: Sen Hudgens (R-GA) “Octomom Bill”
(3-4) Octuplets: Dear LA Department of Children and Family Services: re Nadya Suleman
(3-5) Octuplets: 911 call “I’m gonna kill myself!”
(3-6) Octuplets: Nadya, Gloria Allred, *Angels in Waiting* & Dr Phil
(3-6) Octuplets: Dr Phil on The View: “Her contact with reality is fleeting at best”
(3-9) Octuplets: Nadya accepts *Angels in Waiting’s* offer
(3-9) Octuplets: Agreement between Nadya, Gloria Allred, *Angels in Waiting* & Dr Phil
(3-9) Octuplets: Grandfather purchase $564,900 house
(3-9) Octuplets: Second publicist, Victor Munoz, quits: “This woman is nuts!”
(3-10) Octuplets: Updated list of posts
(3-11) Octuplets: Grandfather on GMA (3-9)
(3-10) Octuplets: Nadya on Dr Phil (Part 1: *Angels in Waiting* controversy)
(3-10) Octuplets: Nadya on Dr Phil (Part 2: 911 call, rumors, parents, house)
(3-11) Octuplets: Nadya on Dr Phil (Part 3: Meets octuplets)
(3-11) Octuplets: Nadya on Dr Phil (Part 4: Jonah, male role mode for 10 boys?)
(3-11) Octuplets: Nadya on Dr Phil (Part 5: *Angels in Waiting* care)
(3-11) Octuplets: Nadya on Dr Phil (Part 6: Free stuff)
(3-11) Octuplets: Nadya on Dr Phil (Part 7: Foster care)
(3-16) Octuplets: Nadya spent $1K on makeup
(3-17) Octuplets: Noah & Isaiah released to Nadya
(3-24) Octuplets: Paranoid Nadya fires *Angels in Waiting*
(3-24) Octuplets: Nadya offered porn star nanny replacements
(3-24) Octuplets: 911 by Nadya’s nanny to remove Gloria Allred
(3-24) Octuplets: Video tour of new house
(3-24) Octuplets: 911 call night first two octuplets brought home
(3-24) Octuplets: Previous 911 calls
(3-24) Octuplets: Nadya: Why she fired *Angels in Waiting*
(3-25) Octuplets: Text of initial (2-17) Gloria Allred/Angels in Waiting press conference
(3-25) Octuplets: Allred: THREE complaints made to DCFS
(3-25) Octuplets: Nadya pix of the day
(3-25) Octuplets: A request
(3-25) Octuplets: Gloria Allred vs Jeff Czech The Early Show (Video)
(3-25) Octuplets: Why Nadya fired *Angels in Waiting* (Video)
(3-25) Octuplets: Gloria Allred on The Today Show (Video)
(3-25) Octuplets: Another shopping spree?
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 1: Nadya; *Angels in Waiting* firing
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil Part 2: Jeff Czech: “Hogging the media”
(3-26) Octuplets: Dr Phil, Part 3: No more Nadya for him
(3-26) Octuplets: Gloria Allred speaks to radaronline (video)
(3-26) Octuplets: Gloria Allred & *Angels in Waiting* Press conference
(3-26) Octuplets: Nadya’s response to Allred/AIW press conference
(3-27) Octuplets: Makai and Jeremiah home
(3-27) Octuplets: Nadya’s first publicist speaks
(3-27) Octuplets: Linda West-Conforti & Gloria Allred on Early Show
(3-28) Octuplets: Nadya’s immoral enabler - Dr Michael Kamrava
(3-28) Octuplets: ASRM guidelines for embryo implantation
(3-28) Octuplets: Gloria Allred rebuts Nadya - Showbiz Tonight
(3-28) Octuplets: Child-rearing ability reason for MD to refuse?
(3-28) Octuplets: re: Ann Curry & Dr Phil interviews
(3-30) Octuplets: Publicist #2 to quit, Victor Munoz, speaks
(3-30) Octuplets: Gloria Allred statement (3-25)
(3-30) Octuplets: Morning after first two octuplets home (video)
(3-31) Octuplets: Nadya’s medical file breeched - 15 workers fired
(3-31) Octuplets: Video of first two octuplets arriving home
(4-1) Octuplets: 3 & 4 home, enraged grandmother, Nadya, older kids flee
(4-3) Octuplets: #7 Josiah home (4-1)
(4-3) Octuplets: Family van vandalized (4-1)
(4-3) Octuplets: Frustrated neighbor removes, returns No Trespassing signs
(4-5) Octuplets: Radaronline interview with Gloria Allred
(4-8) Octuplets: Nadya: *Angels in Waiting* was a scam
(4-9) Octuplets: Allred responds to Nadya’s AIW comments
(4-12) Octuplets: Gloria Allred’s final comments re: Nadya & AIW
(4-12) Octuplets: Jeff Czech - Octorazzi Q & A (Part 1)
(4-14) Octuplets: #8 Jonah is home
(4-14) Octuplets: Jeff Czech talks reality show
(4-14) Octuplets: Jeff Czech - Octorazzi Q & A (Part 2)
(4-15) Octuplets: Nadya gets her TV deal
(4-15) Octuplets: Nadya to Dr Phil: no reality show (3-10)
(4-16) Octuplets: Octotrademark
(4-17) Octuplets: Nadya on *Octomom* trademark
(4-17) Octuplets: Nadya denies plastic surgery - video

Octuplets: Nadya to Dr Phil: no reality show (3-10) April 15, 2009 by mattie14 April 15, 2009 (4-14) Octuplets: Updated list of posts Here’s a litt

April 15, 2009

(4-14) Octuplets: Updated list of posts

Here’s a little reminder of what Nadya said on record when she was trying to get free stuff (and succeeded) out of Dr Phil. No reality show - maybe a documentary - up to the kids. AIW said she couldn’t do a reality show - any type of show. AIW fired. AIW made reports to CPS. AIW fired. No octuplets - or less than 8 - no gravy train. Jonah home on Monday - 48 hours later the deal made. RadarOnline reportedly had already stopped paying her and didn’t even post a video of #8 Jonah coming home.

From Nadya on Dr Phil (3-10 Part 2) [follow update link above.]

TMZ

DR PHIL: Is there a point at which you say enough is enough? This is getting in the way of the children.

NADYA: Oh. Absolutely.

DR PHIL: I need to draw the line here.

NADYA: I don’t want anything invasive. A reality show? No way. No way. That’s another misconception.

DR PHIL: So you’re not interested in a reality show?

NADYA: No - it depends on how it’s done. But–when they’re much older. And it’s not up to me - it’s up to the kids.

***

DR PHIL: So, any funds that you’ve had come in to date are dedicated to the care of these children?

NADYA: One hundred percent.

Octuplets: Nadya's lawyer, Jeff Czech Q & A (Part 1)

April 11, 2009

(4-8) Octuplets: Updated list of posts

Nadya's lawyer, Jeff Czech's turn to tell his side of the situation. Raul Roa aka Octorazzi did a Q & A of sorts. They discuss AIW, Allred, the agreements between AIW & Nadya and the appearance on the Dr Phil show where Czech actually said that Allred was "hogging the media". [follow update link 3-26 Dr Phil Part 2]

The typos are as is in the quotes.

About the non-disclosure form he wanted AIW and Gloria Allred to sign:

CZECH: I require all persons entering the Suleman home on business to execute a simple non-disclosure agreement. AIW nurses were not excepted, especially when I learned they were photographing the house and persons inside and then lied/denied it. In fact, that is what Allred and I basically argued about the night the first two babies arrived.

And the transparency agreement between AIW and Nadya?

CZECH: The "agreement" that Allred prepared was just a document she put together for the show so she could have a photo session over it and have something to exhibit on the show. It was not a legally binding contract that could be "breached". Nadya did not read it; I took no part in it; I was not even shown the document until after the show, but I knew it was not a "real" contract.

He didn't know about it is supposed to be an excuse? And he never saw it but knew it wasn't a real contract. See the copy of the contract below. It appears that AIW and Nadya both signed it. There is no third party signature or handwritten date, but if both signatures are legitimate - so is the agreement. As saying she did not read something that consists of two sentences and signed it anyway just adds to the argument that she has no judgment.

His tone alone says alot.

Sounds there was some truth to AIW taking pictures. Doesn't say exactly what they took the pictures of. It was meant that they not take photos to sell or otherwise promote. Photographing evidence of neglect or too back up their reports to CPS is another story.

CZECH: The nurses were offering free services and that was the main attraction. Dr. Phil pushed AIW on Nadya also. In the green room, however, Allred had Linda Conforti sign an agreement that the nurses would not take photos, thus you see why I took Allred to task after the nurses were caught taking photos. AIW also promised to provide an accounting of donations and to provide their credentials and proof of insurance to me; they provided nothing after several requests.

AIW alleges that out of the 102 hours they were present (March 17-22), Nadya was in the nursery caring for her preemies for only a total of 8. [ 3-27 Allred/Conforti-West on Early Show] The AIW nurses kept charts and there's all the radaronline footage of her shopping and outside the home.

CZECH: I don't know how Conforti came up with 105 hours; she certainly was not personally there that much and slept all night if she was there at night time.

Here he says the babies just needed to be cared for like "normal babies". They are not normal babies, even more so because of the environment they live in.

CZECH: According to Kaiser, the babies would not be released until they could be cared for like 'normal' babies. So no, they did not require special care other than to take extra precautions to keep sickness away. The training that Kaiser provided the nannies involved feeding, cleaning, cpr, caring/holding the infants. Nothing like Conforti was claiming was necessary.

Here again it's self interest vs professional experience. Kaiser is losing money for as long as the octuplets are in the hospital. Potential private insurance patients are kept from getting a bed, which is being billed to Medi-Cal. Getting them out of the hospital and into home care is a win-win. They open the beds for paying patients and still bill the state for their home health care nurses. AIW was going to included intensive treatment for all 14 - something Kaiser cannot.

His logic is a tad convoluted here.

CZECH: Regarding Kaiser and Medi-Cal, I believe that Kaiser is still billing Medi-Cal for the final treatment of the babies. Keep in mind that this is not unusual. Ms. Allred's... statement that Suleman has chosen to put the burden on the taxpayers is flat out wrong.

First, Kaiser would be involved whether or not AIW was involved.

Second, Conforti stated that if enough money was not raised then she would bill medical for AIW's services.

So you see, Nadya's decision to dump AIW is actually beneficial to the taxpayers and those persons willing to donate to AIW. Nadya pays for the nannies herself and soon Kaiser will end its major treatments.

Kaiser, Medi-Cal, nurses, taxpayers...And where was any words about what was best for the octuplets, and more importantly, the older children who are being neglected in all of this? As far as I am aware, the older children have not received any type of counseling to help them adapt to the octuplets. The oldest girl said on video that she didn't want the octuplets to come home because the crying would set off Nadya.

Who is looking out for her needs? And why doesn't/shouldn't the little girl's opinion matter?

Source: Octorazzi

Octuplets: Gloria Allred's final comments re: Nadya & AIW

April 10, 2009

(4-8) Octuplets: Updated list of posts

Yes it takes me a while to post these things. Here are more comments from Gloria Allred about allegations Nadya made and some interesting facts I wasn't aware of. Like on the night the first two octuplets went home, Allred showed up at Nadya's house with a check from Dr Phil related fundraising. It was the same day a woman, "Marcella", who described herself as Nadya's nanny, called 911 to have Gloria Allred removed from the house. [3-22 911 call] She wasn't. Nadya didn't want her to leave. Guess we now know why.

Gloria Allred, in her [3-25 statement] said she emailed Dr Phil, who had brokered the deal, on 3-22 saying that under the circumstances AIW could not continue. She didn't mention sending a copy to Czech and I don't know if Dr Phil forwarded him a copy but Czech sent an email to Allred terminating their services.

From "Octorazzi" RAUL ROA:

Jeff Czech (Nadya's lawyer) email to Gloria Allred (AIW's lawyer)

Sunday March 22, 2009, at 1:15 PM

Please advise the nurses at AIW that, effective immediately, Nadya will no longer seek their services....[AIW is] no longer authorized to be in the Suleman home.

A major point of discord was the non-disclosure form that Czech wanted AIW to sign even though Nadya agreed on the Dr Phil Show to complete transparency. [3-10/11 Dr Phil] The conflict started the first night.

Allred said that from the first night the babies came home, Czech "insisted on a non-disclosure form everyone" who worked at the home, contractors, nurses and nannies even though Suleman had signed an agreement while at the Dr. Phil Show that allowed West-Conforti to speak out. "I need your crew to sign these," Allred says Czech told her.

In a March 9 printed email that was sent from Allred's office to Dr. Phil Show producer Wendi Wan, there are signatures purported to be that of Suleman and West-Conforti which states "Linda Conforti shall be entitled to provide information to the public at her discretion as to the children's health, safety and welfare..."

According to Allred, Czech threw copies of the agreement on a table but Allred would not budge. Allred added that Czech then told her "Why don't you ... come drinking with me," presumably to talk about the agreement. And when Allred said she did not drink, Czech said "Then you can't speak to Nadya unless I'm there."

AIW never signed the forms. They stuck to their side of the agreement. And in the next five days, AIW filed 3 complaints with Child Protective Services (CPS), which they are mandated to do - agreement or no agreement. [3-26 Dr Phil part 2] The first was about the unsafe, loud and chaotic homecoming of the first 2 octuplets. Nadya admitted herself that the hospital ragged at her and said they wouldn't send any more home if she planned on doing that. [3-30 morning after video]

The second was a concern over safety, including abduction. Nadya is convinced that meant AIW abducting them. There was the extreme unsafety of the arrival home the first night, a stranger coming to the door at 2-3am that night, two intruders over the next couple of nights and a nanny who walked in without ID. AIW's concern came true when someone took a carseat off her front porch and hurled it through the back window of her vehicle. Evidently she know has some sort of security as there are cameras on the roof. The police are also making frequent drive bys.

The third was possible exposure to Tuberculosis. At least 2 nannies maybe 3 who were there for training had positive skin reactions to TB (ppd) and had not had their chest XRays to clear them. They shouldn't have been in the house period. One reportedly had a cough as well.

Allred contended in her statement that the reports may have been why they decided to terminate AIW. Nadya loses the octuplets, she loses her paycheck. And Allred says the Kaiser nurses and staff will not have to speak out because of doctor-patient confidentiality - which she could waive.

ROA lists some of the crazy things Nadya alleged about AIW, including that they staged the scene with dirty diapers and took pictures. [4-8 AIW scam] Allred relied that there was no need "to set up anything because the situation was already bad."

He continued on mentioning Nadya's belief that AIW was going to abduct the children. [same link]

ALLRED: How many ridiculous things are you going to run by me?

Then they spoke about how they never were able to meet because Czech and Nadya refused to meet with her, Dr. Phil and AIW.

ALLRED: How can you have a team without willing to have a team meeting?

As for Nadya?

ALLRED: A mother can't do long distance mothering from Guess, BEBE or Target.

Final thought:

ALLRED: The first night was a complete disaster, inside and outside the house. It went downhill from there.

And from what I just read on Octorazzi's blog, it is still going downhill. I'll post Czech's side next. This is so sad. Who is watching out for the older kids?

Octuplets: Nadya on WIC

April 8, 2009

(4-8) Octuplets: Updated list of posts

Finally someone had the courage to ask Nadya about her welfare status. She’s been out shopping and buying Starbucks and getting paid handsomely by radaronline - but who’s paying for the octuplet’s formula and diapers and care? Who’s making the house payments? Is that why her father’s name is on the title?

I cannot judge her. But it is perfectly clear that a mother who purposely has 6 or 8 more embryos implanted when she has 6 children under 8, who she cannot already provide for should not be out shopping and spending ridiculous amounts of money on makeup. Frankly, it pisses me off when I think of families who are scraping to get by and aren’t given assistance or refuse to take it. She uses it like a credit card. Either or. If it’s either or than that implies she is capable of paying for it.

She should have to pay something back. Did she pay for her own hospital bill? She says she has is not on Medi-Cal now. So who is paying for her insurance?

Video provided by Octorazzi - Raul Roa

Video comes from Octorazzi, who is really Raul Roa. Not sure why he speaks in the third person but he is getting answers and documenting it on video, which is important.

ROA: Are you still on Medi-Cal?

NADYA: I’m not. My kids are.

ROA: Your kids are still on Medi-Cal?

NADYA: That’s a goal to get them off. And I’m going back to school.

Beyond delusional. Who is going to pay for her schooling? And how does she think she is going to manage anything other than caring for those children? How can she even consider that selfishness? Does she expect to have nannies until they are 18? And how is she going to go back to school and make $20-30K/month to care for those children?He then asks her if she told AIW that she was going to apply for WIC.

NADYA: WIC is for formula. It’s not a form-it is a form of government assistance. So, I’m still debating that. I haven’t yet. It’s either two choices. I either pay $2,000 a month for formula or I get help with that - when half the people in the country are getting help anyway.

See how she tried to say it wasn’t welfare? She said the same thing about food stamps. And it seems she’s forgotten that she’s part of that half. Her children will be on Medical until they are 18. And who knows what type of special needs they will have.

This is all so sad.

NADYA: It’s different than food stamps. I quit that. So I’m really contemplating it ‘cuz that’s a lot for formula. So if I need to apply for WIC to provide my babies with formula - then I’m going to. I don’t care what anyone–

She catches herself and goes off about how she has to let go of what people think.

NADYA: I can’t live like that. You can’t. No one can live to please or prove anything to other people.

Why she thinks she was singled out.

NADYA: Because I’m single and I chose to have more than six. And I shouldn’t be talking. Cuz I’m single and I chose to have this family. I didn’t chose to have eight. But at the same time, I wanted one more. Never-the-less, I am now unfortunatedly in the public eye and people are going to be scrutinizing me. More than any other mother.

She doesn’t quite put together that the reason she is being scrutinized is because she has shown absolutely no maternal judgment. A mother with six children - three with neurological problems (from the same sperm and egs source and born the same way ) should not be having just one more when she can’t provide for the 6 she already has. That is why people are watching her.

She has no clue. She was collecting children. She wanted “one more”. They’re things to her. She is a birthing factory not a mother. She has never said - when I’ve heard her - and I have quite a deal - that she wanted to be a mother. She says that she always wanted to have a big family or she always wanted a lot of kids.

She has 10 boys that won’t have a father or male role model. Think about that. She willingly and selfishly chose to have children knowing they would not have a father. That is heinous.

WIC (Women, infants, children) provides federal grants to states to provide food, education on nutrition and health care referral to low-income women and children up to age 5. Provided: baby formula, cereal, milk, cheese, vegetables and juice. To qualify she couldn’t have made more $112,480 through June 30.

She may very well have made that by then. She may have already made it from the RadarOnline videos.

Sources: Whittier Daily News
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