Showing posts with label ron polarik. Show all posts
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Sunday, April 26, 2009

Logic 101: COLB vs long form birth certificate

April 25, 2009

(4-26) Updated list of birth certificate posts

When some of our *Orly Taitz* posts got attacked this post was deleted as well. I just now realized it when I was checking to make sure the links on the updated list of birth certificate posts worked. Of course it was longest and most comprehensive post of all.

All five documents are from Dr Ron Polarik's summary via Philip Berg's website obamacrimes.com. [See update list.]

First is a copy of an authentic Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth (COLB) both front and back. The back is where the seal and signature is - the presence of which makes it a "certified" COLB.

Next is the front side of a COLB processed within months of the time barry's was allegedly requested and processed. It's included because the seal is clearly evident.

barry's one-sided "vetted" COLB follows. The "vetters" Kos, Fight the Smears, Factcheck and Politifact do not include a full back side on any of the sites, so barry's COLB as presented is not a certified copy. Rendering what the websites supplied as proof moot.

After that is a copy of a long form (vault copy) birth certificate. As you can see they are very different. Provided on the long form is information that can be corroborated. Nothing on barry's COLB has been or can be.

Note: barry has absolute 100% access to a copy of his long form birth certificate as long as he pays the fee. He can also direct someone else to receive a copy - even you. [see update list]

Note: No one knows which hospital barry was born in in Hawaii, if in fact he was. Why no one seems to care about this fact is beyond me. [see update list]The focus has been on the COLB saying he was born in Hawaii - but there is no tangible proof he was. Why hasn't he provided both?

Why doesn't any of this trouble you?

And as far as the 4 COLB's on the websites has no one found a way to subpoena them? Has anyone even tried? They were intentionally and voluntarily posted as proof for all of the American People - not just a select few. barry asked it be vetted and placed in the most public venue on the planet and yet only four sites have actually "seen" it.

Why not others?

It is either proof or it isn't. It is either public or not.

Why, if the courts have ruled that no one citizen has "standing" to compel barry to produce his records, do 4 websites have "standing" to see and examine them?

Why is no lawyer pursuing this angle? Prove that factcheck [directly connected to barry] and politifact have made errors on other fact checkings and it calls into question their vetting of barry's COLB. Wouldn't have to set foot near barry. Once the website COLBs are obtained and proven to be inadequate - whether by incompleteness sake or forgery - the long form would have to be produced.

The piece of paper barry provided as his COLB is not complete, certified, or been connected in any way to the long form Dr Fukino vouched for. Note also that after questions were raised, Dr Fukino never amended her statement in any fashion. What her spokesperson said means absolutely nothing, as she did not see and verify the long form.

This is what we are left with:

Known COLB not complete.

Known COLB not certified.

Known COLB not proven to have been derived from the long form.

Known long form present and in compliance with Hawaiian law - but nothing revealed about what information was on it. He could have been born anywhere in the world and still have a long form birth certificate in compliance with Hawaiian law.

barry and his sister and numerous other sources say barry was born variably at Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children, even though barry at one point had a copy of his long form in his possession, documented in his book, "Dreams From My Father".

Add also that barry's entire proof of eligibility is based on the "vetting" of sympathetic websites, who refer to the actual document they vetted as a "birth certificate", which it is not, so their "vetting" is completely useless and inadmissible - based solely on that fact.

Conclusion: No known irrefutable evidence or document exists that definitively proves when, where or how barry was born.

So, why there is any question this needs further examination?

And why aren't more people concerned, including, and especially, Congress and the Senate?

Simple argument: I ask what's in your hand. You tell me you have a $50 bill. I ask to see it. Instead of showing me right there and then you call a friend. He takes a picture of it and then "reassures" me it is a $50. Of course I don't believe him so I say c'mon just show me. You tell me to go look at his website where he's posted a picture of one side of it. I look at the site and wonder why I have to look at an image of something when you could just show me the real thing. I ask again. You refuse. Well, now I'm really curious, so I try to look for myself. I find out only you can tell me. I ask again. You say no - ask my friend - he's already told you it's a $50. Now I'm irked. It's becoming clear the only logical explanation is that it is not a $50 and may not be money at all. So I go about trying to compel you to show me what you willingly told me you had. You refuse and retreat behind your lawyers. I persist. You resist. I conclude you have to be hiding something because you are spending much more than $50 trying to prove to me that it's a $50 when all you have to do is show me.

Sound familiar?

What 5 y/o would believe him?

And what is $50 compared to a nuclear missile?

So what is needed for him to prove he IS eligible -- not the American People needing to prove he is NOT eligible?

The burden of proof is on him - even though the Court has consistently ruled it is on the citizen bringing the suit, who can never do so because a private citizen has no "standing" in which to compel barry to produce the records that would prove his eligibility.

That is why the cases failed in the Courts - not because they were without merit.

Who has "standing"?

According to the Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, who presided over Philip Berg's first complaint (Berg v Obama) - Congress does.

His ruling (in part):

Congress could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

Hence Florida (R) Representative Bill Posey's proposed bill requiring future presidential candidate to produce proof of eligibility - at the very minimum - their long form birth certificate.

barry sought the Office of the Presidency, which has two basic requirements. It is up to him to provide proof of his eligibility. Just like a Little Leaguer has to prove his age in order to play. The onus is not on the voter to prove he is NOT eligible, any more than it is on the other team.

Everything listed below is available to him. He has been fighting their release at least as far back as September 2008. He is still fighting their release.

Why?

The one and only explanation is he is hiding something, which does not necessarily mean he is NOT eligible - just that he has not provided and refuses to provide evidence that he IS eligible.

Definitive proof of natural born citizenship: forensic examination of vault copy birth certificate.

Supporting documents: hospital records.

Supporting documents for change of citizenship: passport, college and perhaps medical records.

Definitive proof of relationship to barry Sr: DNA comparison to grandmother Sarah and half-brother George.

Fact: The media is completely corrupted.

To irrefutably prove this, one need only ask: Would Secretary Hillary Clinton have been allowed to be president without any of this information being known?

The answer is a resounding no.

So, why barry?

Conclusion: The US Intelligence Agencies do not want the American People to know who barry is.

Why?

Because they don't care.

Because they don't know.

Because he got through their vetting process and it would be an embarrassment.

Because it now is a matter of national and global security. [True]

Because barry is blackmailing them.

Because they are being blackmailed by another entity.

Because it is a matter of unknown unknown that will be written off as a "matter of National Security".

Disclaimer: I am not paranoid or a conspiracist racist or any of those other derogatory terms. Nor am I affiliated with any candidate, political party, organization, movement or cause and have no axe to grind. I have never registered to vote or been involved or followed politics until January 2008 and I only did so then because of the obvious media bias - hence this site.

I am a regular American citizen whose father and all five uncles served in World War II. I can think logically and cannot understand why it is no one cares that the American President, who has the capacity to send courageous American volunteers into battle - some to a certain death - and who can by his own decision, with no veto power, start a nuclear war, has not and continues to refuse to prove he is eligible to do so.

Why doesn't that alarm you?

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Go to Polarik's sight for the forensic breakdown. These are provided just for visuals. I'll try to make them as large as I can - but they are hard to read - especially the long form. They are better seen on Polarik's site.

Front side - Authentic Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth (COLB)


Back side of authentic Hawaiian COLB


COLB from within months of when barry's was allegedly requested and processed. Included because the seal is clearly evident.


barry's COLB.

Long form Hawaiian birth certificate = Certificate of Live Birth

Short form COLB = Certification that the Certificate of Live Birth exists


All documents are from Dr Ron Polarik's research obtained via Obamacrimes.com. Follow update list for links to points mentioned. Orly Taitz has her own expert - a woman - I'm sorry I don't know her name nor have I seen her research. I think one point is that the COLB has been altered (blacked out certificate number) rendering it - as it says in large print right on it - invalid.

Lastly, no matter what you believe or do not believe - just for a moment ponder what it would mean to barry's daughters if he, a self-proclaimed Constitutional law "professor", really is Constitutionally ineligible to hold the Office of the Presidency. And then ponder what it would say of their mother, who knew that going in and when she stated she was really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.

Tuesday, February 3, 2009

Why can't just the known COLB be subpoenaed?

February 2, 2009

Some further thoughts re Col Hollister v barry soetoro (original complaint). barry was supposed to submit documents on the 26th and instead they filed a motion to dismiss. The dismissal brief sounds like a bot post with it's condescension and indignation for challenging "that one". I had no idea the law team was just as obamerized and that it would come out in legalese. I shouldn't be surprised by anything anymore.

Is this American or Nazi Germany? barry knew this all going in folks. He is a constitutional and voting rights lawyer.

Anyway, it's always the fact that no one has standing. A plaintiff must have these three to meet the requirement of "standing", without which there is no case. There must be an injury in fact - something already had to have happened, there has to be a causal relationship between the injury and barry's ineligibility and there must be a substantial likelihood that a favorable ruling would redress the issue at hand.

Col Hollister's potential military service is hypothetical so there can be no injury and thus no redress. There must be some harm that comes about directly related to barry's actions and even if there were to be - all of the American People would be harmed - so one individual or group of citizens cannot claim an "injury" when everyone else would suffer the same injury.

Bottom line: It seems no citizen within or outside the military can have standing.

So who does?

Congress.

Remember their lame attempt at Sen McCain's resolution whereby they decreed him a natural born citizen? Good old Claire McCaskill (D-MO), who sold her soul when she lied about barry's snub of Sen Clinton, headed it up with an assist by the Get out of the Damn Race Already Hillary Patrick Leahy (D-VT).

If one had paranoid tendencies, one might think they are all in on the conspiracy. Why would they be so helpful to a republican when they desperately wanted barry to win? So much so, the pundits and DNC and everyone else screamed at Hillary every hour to stop "hurting" barry.

Why would they take away his advantage? To be respectful of a true America hero? Nope. They proved that with their "POW card" comments. How could any American even think those words let alone say them? Another thing Mr President did not stop. And "families were off limits" only after ArcXIX dreamt up his vile rumors and barry's attack dogs had descended on Wasilla.

The only reason they did it was so that it would be a precedent for barry. Why else wouldn't they try to eliminate McCain entirely?

It defies logic, as does everything else barry does, including withholding his long form birth certificate. No court has even suggested that someone not connected to barry's website examine the actual document. It has been taken as FACT by a "factcheck" operation that has connections to NEWSWEEK (even admitted to by jonjon alter) and Annenberg where barry palled around with bill ayers, who couldn't even get into Canada.

And if the COLB is 100% authentic, then why doesn't he release it to the media like he did his Wailing Wall "stolen" note?

The "it's sufficient enough proof" COLB is in the public domain. If it's enough - if that document is all that is needed - and that is what the court is are relying on - then have an independent news source vet it.

It is a "public record" and is being used as a "material witness" in a way, so why can't the public see it?

At the bare minimum - can't those who sued barry actually examine it in the flesh to satisfy the evidence in the case? Just that. Nothing else.

Why haven't the courts ask that it be vetted? If it were to be found to be a forgery - all the rulings they made contingent to it as "proof" have to be thrown out. Then he would have to show the long form as absolute proof in the cases that were based on forged "proof".

That is the way to make barry produce it - not as proof of his eligibility where standing is needed - but as proof to prove the authenticity and legality of the COLB used to dismiss the other cases.

Who cares about the long form - it is clear We The People will be barred access to it and it is clear none of us will ever prove standing until he injuries us and then we'll all be injured so there would be no redress to provide. So let us see the actual "proof of citizenship" he and the Court are using as a basis in part to dismiss the lawsuits.

He doesn't need to send for anything. It is online in as public a domain as there can be. It has been taken as "established proof of his citizenship" - so why can't someone simply sue to prove that the proof is a sound legal document?

Am I missing something here?

Can a case be appealed because the fundamental "proof" has never been sufficiently proven to be "proof" in the first place?

Why haven't the lawyers suing barry been able to just look at it - in hand - and attest to its authenticity?

If something is being used in a court of law as an exhibit, which is then subsequently used to "prove" something that results in the defendant not being sued and the plaintiffs' refusal, aren't the plaintiffs allowed to examine the "exhibit"?

If someone is injured in a car accident and the court dismisses the case because the defendant had a legal license - isn't the Court first responsible to prove said license was in fact legal? And isn't the plaintiff allowed to see the evidence to satisfy the ruling?

Why have only two barry sites looked at it?

More importantly - why isn't the media demanding a copy? Anyone demanding the media to demand it? What's FOX doing?

Why hasn't some hacker hacked into the site like they hacked into Palin's email account? (Not that I would ever advocate such a thing!)

The Philly judge, Hon R Barclay Surrick, when he ruled on Berg v Obama, said he couldn't imagine that barry's birth certificate would be an issue because of the "excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary [sic] in living memory".

In other words, the Court was deferring to the media, who in turn has been completely corrupted and have not bothered to vet barry because they've been vetting to the point of destruction barry's oppenents. If they have info (at least one person in the media knows), then somebody's probably writing a book and wants to remain quiet so he can make serious cash when the time comes.

What would be the punishment and who would decree it? He would be able to say, hey, the Supreme Court threw out all the cases...

The media hasn't even held themselves accountable for Iraq. How would they ever own up to this?

They are all are complicit.

Joe Scarborough said he was emailing the other networks to see if they were going to Joe Biden's prediction of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Mika "Mommy" Brzezinski declared a "Biden attack-free zone" and settled on a dicussion of the more pressing issue concerning national security: the wardrobe. What a stellar job that investigative reporter did. How worthwhile must she feel at the end of the day for investigating credit card receipts and FEC filings. And the FEC isn't going to investigate barry because they don't want to embarrass him? Wasn't Palin embarrassed?

The press has demonstrated they do not know the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" let alone long form birth certificate vs Certification of Live Birth. They have shown no public awareness of the lawsuits and their various nuances - but they can check out how much clothes, hair and makeup costs and they can descend on Wasilla and completely try to ruin a family.

Tabloid jouralism at its finest. Even Barbara Walters and Andrea Mitchell (garbage truck paparazzi stake out in front of Sen Clinton's home) have joined them. Tony Blankley is embarrassed by the media? What has he done except roll merrily, merrily, merrily along and mention the "weird little internet sites"? Most egregious of all, barry has never said a word about newly-elected Minnesota Senator Al Franken's SNL incest "sketch' alleging that Todd Palin was having sex with his daughters and by extension that was his baby.

Change we can believe in!

Pardon my digression.

Why not circumvent the "standing" issue and go after the factcheck COLB itself - by itself. barry's lawyers say that the factcheck COLB is sufficient proof and because of that nothing more is warranted because no one has standing to compel him to provide anything else. Fine.

Has someone, without any conditions or interest other than simple chain of custody of evidence, subpoenaed the actual COLB that is on Factcheck to have it verified as "proof" - since it is being used as "proof" to make court rulings?

Just that. Nothing else. No comparisons to vault copy. No eligibility questions. Just as concerns the authenticity of the COLB itself by itself - that very one - presented as public record and court evidence.

Dr Fukino verified the existence of barry's long form - that it was in compliance with Hawaiian law - but she never verified that factcheck's COLB was derived from the piece of paper she verified. See here.

And what about a challenge to the actual website?

What if factcheck.org was proven to have lied about other "fact checks"?

Wouldn't that be compelling evidence to warrant a recheck of that actual COLB?

Like if they lied on other things - knowingly or not - then the integrity of their factchecking - including barry's COLB - would be brought into question thus requiring independent analysis. Requesting a new one could in no way rectify the decisions that were made referencing or relying on the factcheck COLB as "evidence" of "proof".

And how does factcheck have standing to evaluate barry's COLB and not anyone else?

Sunday, January 4, 2009

barry's Certification of Live Birth

January 3, 2009

You asked for a copy. I couldn't find the old post so here. Go to Dr "Ron Polarik's" website for the technical breakdown of the alleged forgery. Note: it takes a while to load because of the enlarged photo evidence.

barry's Certification of Live Birth posted on KOS shows an obvious difference in security borders.
Photo

Sunday, December 28, 2008

UPDATE 13: barry's birth certificate - Berg & SCOTUS

December 28, 2008

Update on barry's birth certificate issue. Donofrio/Wrotnowski - (lawsuits alleging barry not a natural born citizen by virtue of British citizenship conferred on him at birth) were denied by SCOTUS. Game over.

Philip Berg's lawsuit is still alive and has been distributed to the Court. Docket: UPDATE 12.

Here's an updated list of previous pertinent posts re: barry's birth certificate/eligibility for presidency.

Senate resolution: McCain a natural born citizen (non legally binding - groundwork for barry)
Natural born citizen defined
Official Certification for Nomination for POTUS

Berg discussing case on video
syc1959 evaluates barry's Hawaiian COLB on video
UPDATE 1: Berg case dismissed in Philly - appeal to SCOTUS
Berg's ad in Washington Times Weekly
White House Press briefing Tony Fratto has no comment
UPDATE 2: Hawaii official comment & Dr Polarik's forgery video
UPDATE 3: WTP open letter to barry to run in Chicago Tribune
UPDATE 4: Andy Martin HI (dismissed)
barry's grandmother claims she was present at birth - Jeff Shreiber

UPDATE 5: Cort Wrotnowski's submission to SCOTUS - Anthrax
If barry were proven to be ineligible?
UPDATE 6: barry's selective service registration a forgery?
Amending the Natural Born Citizen Requirement
barry hides out in hawaii
UPDATE 7: WTP & Mary Mitchell rant
UPDATE 8: List of barry lawsuits
UPDATE 9: List of barry's birth certificate posts
Video transcription of translated call from barry's grandmother Sarah
UPDATE 10: barry's birth certificate: WTP press conference
UPDATE 11: compiled list of updates
UPDATE 12: Berg SCOTUS docket

Not birth certificate issue but you asked for a comprehensive list

Donofrio: To be heard by SCOTUS
Donofrio: Denied by SCOTUS
Donofrio: Comments on denial

Wrotnowski: application to SCOTUS (Anthrax)
Wrotnowski: Awaiting SCOTUS decision
Wrotnowski: UPDATE: re SCOTUS decision
Wrotnowski: Application denied by SCOTUS

Relevant websites:

Dr "Ron Polarik's" website proof of forgery
Philip Berg obamacrimes
Leo Donofrio Natural Born Citizen
Robert Schultz We The People
America Must Know lawsuit list
The Obama File comprehensive site
Citizens Against Pro-Obama Media Bias

FYI: Writ of certiorari is the legalese for the SCOTUS will hear the case.